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I am inspired by the number of absolute fanatical supporters there are in this great game. It is the Greatest Game on earth and I love to see deeply people love the game.

True Supporter, Interview 4 - 07 August 2017 -Terry Williams

Terry Williams is the Curator of the museum at NRL headquaters, he has published a couple of books on Newtown Rugby League history. 

True Supporter, Interview 4 - 7 August 2017 -Terry Williams


Where did you grow up and what was your childhood like?

Beautiful, Ashcroft in Green Valley.  Pretty enjoyable childhood, saturated with sport, cricket in summer and football in winter.  It was the pre-internet era.  I am one of seven, middle child syndrome, six boys in that so we didn't have any trouble getting games of footy.  I played football all through my school and university days.  I wasn't as good as I would like to have been but had a lot of fun along the way.  After I finished playing I coached on and off for 20 years.  I was a teacher and when my son started playing I had 12 years coaching at his various schools, and with Concord-Burwood Wolves. 

When did you start your collection and what did you collect in the beginning?

I have always had a passion for history and as a kid I was very interested in war history.  My passion for league and cricket was a natural extension of that.  I started reading about Don Bradman and I would read anything and everything I could.  I remember in the 70's the Liverpool Library had the Gregory's Guide to Rugby League and Jack Pollard's 'Rugby League - The Australian Way' was about all you could get, other than the Big League and Rugby League Week.  Information was pretty scarce in those days, these days I don't watch TV, I look up information on old footballers.

How have your interests developed?

I was interested in both World Wars and I was a History teacher for ten years.  One of the things I have been doing for the last twenty years is researching Rugby League during the First World War.  I started with a data base of 10-20 players who served during the First World War, I am up to 1,300 now.  We are in the process of finalising a documentary on it which we are up to the final stages editing, waiting for a last installment of money.  SO if anyone out there has won powerball lately, give me a ring. 

What were your most memorable experiences with collecting as a child ?

I was probably restricted by what was around then, we didn't have a huge amount of merchandise as there is now.  I collected Big Leagues, Rugby League Weeks and I remember the Footy Cards of course.  Some of the bags you see and casual wear just seemed to be starting in the late 60's and early 70's. 


I remember going up to Miller Shopping Centre, I actually had a bit of a soft spot for the Dragons in those days, Graeme Langlands and Roy Ferguson were there, so I ordered a Dragons jacket which was a bit more stylish than wearing a Newtown jacket in Sydney's Western Suburbs. 

Why did you like Newtown ?

I was actually born in Marrickville and my father played for them in Third Grade in 1961, only a handful of games and my mother was from there, so I didn't really have much choice. 

What do you collect now ?

Having worked in the game for 20 years and having done a few books and stuff, I have made contacts, crossed paths with people here, there and everywhere.  Some of the most valuable stuff I have got has arisen from that sort of situation. 

When I did the first Newtown book I included the link between Rugby League and cricket.  There is a bit of a shared interest, quite a few of the early Newtown players were also prominent cricketers.

If you look at the seven guys who have played for NSW in both Cricket and Rugby League most of them have occurred before the 50's, Graeme Hughes is the only exception.  Billy Farnsworth is one of those.  Jack Scott scored the first ever try in 1908 against the Roosters and was later a Test Umpire and he was the first man to take Bradman's wicket.  I wrote a letter to Bradman asking whether he remembered these guys as League players, and I asked him about whether he played Rugby League or Rugby Union because the record books only indicated that the played Rugby as a kid.  He was kind enough to write back and tell me about his League career and told me he was a Full Back at Bowral Public School in 1920.  He said he was too small and wasn't real good at it. 

What other books have you written What inspired you to write the newtown book ?

Best book since the bible I tell people.  I have done a couple of books on Newtown, I did the photographic history of Newtown in the Centenary year of 2008. 

The first one was called 'Out of the Blue' and the second one was called 'Through Blue Eyes'.  The first one is sold out, they threw the plates out.  Doing the two Newtown books was a labour of love.  It has given me more pleasure than I could of have got otherwise, I look back and I feel privileged from the people I got to meet, the range of people I got to meet.  I showed Barry O'Farrell around here to have a look.  People who have a genuine interest like yourself, I like to show them around, because you get more out of the experience.

How did you get the job at the Rugby League Museum?

When I was teaching I gave it away to do a bit of journalism and writing of my first Newtown book.  Then in 1994 I was doing a bit of stuff for Big League.  In 1995 there was supposed to be no Reserve Grade and it was my plan to start up my own magazine for the competition that replaced Reserve Grade.  That became the Sydney League News, I nearly lost my house in the first year and it put a great strain on my marriage.  We managed to stick it out and part of the deal with that I was to do a couple of days a week with the NSWRL, subsequently that turned into a full time position.  It was basically doing the magazine, helping run the Metro Cup and basically doing the media stuff and coordinating results of matches.  I then did the magazine for eight or nine years and Terry Liberopoulos took it over from me and has kept it going and it has grown to the extent that the clubs.  That level of football deserves greater  level of scrutiny and support. 


I was made redundant just before the Centenary year.  Geoff Carr said they should speak to me when it was being discussed about opening this museum.  I was involved with the transition from Phillip Street to the National Rugby League Museum.  A lot of the day to day stuff fell to me and it was a kid in a lolly shop scenario.  When the museum was established and the doors were opened they said we are going to need someone here in a full time position and I was selected for the position. 

What are your favourite items in the museum?

We have a range of the cathedral items, the holy of holy stuff here, such as trophies like the Winfield Cup, we have all of the Big Leagues from 1920.  Before 1920 they made match day cards, Harry Hammill, Newtown player and first captain in 1908, was the one who started the Big League.  He actually tried to do something similar with the Rugby League Record in about 1913 but I think there was only one or two editions printed and it wasn't the official publication. 


Having the trophies and that sort of stuff, they are all high end items, we have just taken over the Rugby League Week archives, but some of the ephemeral items that relate to particular people for example we have one of Hammill’s scrap books and in there, there is a card relating to his daughter who died in infancy.  We have quite a few of Clive Churchill school team photos which were getting thrown out during a council clean up in Newcastle and someone called up and said you might want to come and collect these. 


There was teams for each year and one year there was a lovely little exercise book where somebody had written each week who they played against, description of the match, recorded the scorers.  It was about 1941 when Churchill was only a kid at school.  It is beautiful social history that you couldn't get anywhere else. 




We have had functions in here, high range things.  The best we had was the reunion for the 1974 Western Division team in 2014.  It was a real privilege and each of these guys have their own stories.  We have had functions for Kangaroo reunions. 

What are the highlights of your collection?

The Bradman letter would be one of my top five things.  I have a Kangaroo jersey that I have signed as well.  Most collectors go for a particular area of expertise, whether it be footy cards or programs.  I have always loved the ephemeral items.  When I was a kid I loved footy cards and the associated packaging on them as well and the magazines and stickers as well.  I have just gathered stuff like that along the way through and kept them.  For example in 1995 when they did the Redhead Matches, I have a full set of those, I have some footy cards from 1992 where I haven't opened the box. 

When I was teaching I often said to the kids if anyone in your family had old footy cards they didn't want any more I would buy them from them.  They were getting thrown out anyway and if I was going to swing them $10 or $20 they win as well.  I think the pictures of cards and stickers looked great in my Newtown book and those images look fantastic on T shirts.  I am just stuck in the past. 

My favourite era is what would be most relevant to most people and that is the period before you become an adult.  Maybe your memory is a little bit better and you are more impressionable.  The art work involved with the stickers from the late 60's and early 70's such as Wacky Races, I think they are classic, they are almost back in fashion now. 

You still follow Newtown these days?

I go to Henson Park whenever they play, I missed the first home game this year and that was the first home game I have missed in about 10 years. 

Total Value of your collection?

It is subjective and people always think what they have is worth more.  We don't have an acquisitions budget.  The scales of economy in Australia make it very difficult to pay for collections.  Payment creates all sorts of issues, for example if we buy a collection from one player and then the next guy comes in and wants more because he was a better footballer. 

We used to get school kids come in for a visit but there is no parking at the moment.  The fact that we continue to exist is an achievement in itself.  The busiest days we have at the museum are school holidays.

If you had to sell part of your collection, what would you sell first?

Being a Bower Bird, that would go against all of my principles, I don't do it for money.  I will let my wife answer that question when I pass away!

True Supporter, Interview 3 - 14 May 2017 -Matt Hielman

True Collector, Interview 3 - 14 May 2017 -Matt Hielman

Where did you grow up?

Kinsgrove until I was 19 years old

When did you start your collection and what did you collect in the beginning?

It wasn't until later on, I was always a Roosters fan, around 1978 when I was about 9 years old.  My first thing was when we played the Dogs in the 1980 Grand Final.  I still remember that image of how I felt we lost that Grand Final, I felt terrible.  I had Footy cards first of all and then jerseys and training shirts.  I didn't get into these until I was working and had disposable income and started collecting serious stuff. 



What were your most memorable experiences with collecting as a child ?

I always had all of the card sets as a kid.  I remember playing the games at school as a kids, we would play flicks and swaps and I seem to remember some cards were harder to get than others.  I was excited when I got the whole set, I wish I kept those sets until now but I didn't. 

When did you start to get into other things ?

When Ebay came online and looking while sitting at home of an evening and browsing for Roosters items.  I am lucky with my work as well getting to meet lots of people and I also have mates looking out for me if they see any Roosters things.  So I started getting into the jerseys and the training shirts during these days. 


What are you focusing on collecting these days ?

That is a good question, the simple stuff do it for me anymore such as a plate or spoon set.  It has to be something that stands out and is unique.  I don't buy every years jersey now, I just buy the special ones and there are enough of those.  I buy every training shirt, people think I am mad but I do get them all, I would have them all since the late 80's and I do wear them.

I started collecting the badges, I really wanted the 74 and 75 badges and it took me a long time to get them.  I have been collecting all of the Roosters and SCG badges for each year, some were easy to get some were $10 and some were lots of dollars.  I still don't have all of the Associate badges, I may get them or I may not.  I enjoy the chase, the hunt.  I don't define myself on whether I have them or not.  I enjoy the badges probably the most. 

I have a bunch of Roosters Club journals from 1962, it shows players wages of the day, what player awards happened whether it be a chicken or a $10 voucher at the club, they are quite an interesting read. 

I have well over 1,000 Roosters footy cards, I don't have all of the Roosters cards that have ever come out, I can tell you one that I haven't got and that is the 2003 Luke Ricketson Jersey signature card.  I have a jersey one but not a signature one, again it is a lot of money for one card.  If I was on my death bed I don't think people will say you were a good bloke but you didn't manage to get that card.  I still enjoy the cards and I look forward to the new sets that come out every year.  They are making lots of cards which makes it hard for the kids, but for the serious collectors like myself that are prepared to pay the money.  One day somebody will get the benefit of what I have here, I don't know who that would be, maybe my grand children.  My favourite footy cards are the Kevin Hastings ones, mainly the Inspirations card from the 2005 Power Series.

Jerseys ?

The two 2002 framed jerseys, home and away I had signed by the fellers personally.  I had the cards and stamps put around the jersey. 

The 2007 Win jersey I won a good bet by putting money on the Roosters to beat St George by 13+ and they won 18 points to 4 and I used the profits to purchase this. 

I have the 1975 Premiers jersey framed and it is signed by John Peard and Arthur Beetson.  I have a Brad Fittler one signed and was bought directly from the club and it is limited to 100. 

 There is a Brad Fittler signed boot that is framed as well.  There isn't enough wall space with the likes of NSW and Kangaroo signed jerseys looking for a space as well. 

I have about 130 to 140 unsigned jerseys as well, I have quite a few and about 200 hats. 

Badges ?

I have SCG badges and they start from 1901 and go through to 1988.  NSW Leagues club badges start from 1952 and they go right through to 1989. 

I really wanted the 1974 and 1975 badges, they are not the best looking badges by comparison but they are the Holy Grail of Rugby League badges.  The 1971 and 1967 I had never even seen those badges anywhere, not in a picture or anywhere and one guy called me one day and said I have 1967 and 1971 badges, do you want them?  I drove from here to St Leanords and bought them.  I haven't seen them since. 

Why do you think people help you out with your collection?

They know I have the passion, they know what I am into.  I go to a few games, I live a long way from where the games are but I still go.  Even when we lose I still love the team.  Many times if people see something that is unique they will let me know.  Another example is I could have a mate call me and say he is at a Charity Auction and there is a Roosters jersey do I want it and how much am I will willing to spend. 

What are you favourite jerseys?

That is a hard question, seriously probably the one with my name on it, members jersey from 2015.  I have some aboriginal ones here.  There is an Arthur Beetson one that was limited to about 100 and it sold out quickly, I tried to get a large but they had already sold out so I got a medium.  I didn't make them again.  I have the marvel ones and they make a lot more of those. 

There is a light blue jersey which is a reproduction of the 1945 jersey and during the war time they didn't have dark wool so they had to use the light blue.  Mate when I die there is enough Roosters jersies so everyone could wear one. 

What are your top 5 things in your collection?

I like the wooden Roosters emblem, I like the different timbers and the idea that somebody has made that.  It is just different and I just like it. 

Dan Frawleys Kangaroo hat from 1910, he was the 7th player to be picked for Australia for Rugby League.  In those days when they played for Australia they were given a hat in their team colours.  I managed to get hold of it from a mate who knew a bloke, whoe knew a bloke, who knew a bloke who knew that I collected stuff.  That cost me a few bucks.  What I want to do that eventually is to put that on a head that turns and have a little video display of Dan Frawley playing.

The sign was a present from my wife and kids for my 40th birthday.  My mate came to deliver it to my house and I was wondering what he was doing here.  My mate is a massive Dogs fan and it must have killed him to do it and I appreciate that he did it.  It is a one off sign that no one else has. 

Dally M endorsed boots from the 1930s or 1940s a footballer would have worn those, they are made from Kangaroo hide. 

Dally M endorsed head gear and would have been worn by someone in later years.  I think it would have been worn by an actual footballer around 1930s to 1940s.

The Kevin Hastings signed jersey.

My badge collection.

There are so many things that I could pick.

Footy card collection?

I have three folders full of them, Dan has done a bit of work getting them together for me over the years.  There are all sorts of Roosters cards there, some old post cards, all the old Scanlens ones, Dally Messenger ones, Cains licorice ones, stickers and all sorts. 

I have a bunch of stickers, Ampol ones and ones that I had made up.

Other various collectable items?

I have a reproduction old Pop corn machine, obviously I watch the football here and get the popcorn going.  I have a reproduction telephone booth which houses all of my jerseys and in the shed I have an original telephone booth which needs to be done up one day.  Half of the battle is getting the stuff, once you have it you can assign time to do it up as a project but you can do it when it suits you, at least you have it.  Once you've got it, you have the rest of your life to do something with it. 


I am working on an alternate badge frame which is comprised up of special Roosters badges, some badges are recent and have been made for special occasions such as the ANZAC clashes against the Dragons.  They are quite special to me because they are hard to get.  I have the Club Challenge badges and the Back to Belmore match from 2013. 

Some kids drew these pictures of Freddy Fittler and I just thought why not, something different. 

These Todd Carney socks.  It was some sort of charity round and all of the players played in those. 

Some old Rugby League news with Roosters teams on the cover.

The old Footy boot, don't know where I got that from called the Barrackers Boot

The Artic Wolf poker machine, there is credit in there and it still works.

The Club Challenge framed magazine and the framer said it looks like it has been folded as it would have been taken home from the ground.  It still has the pin up and I have a spare.

Kevin Hastings is my idol of Rugby League, I am best mates with him now.  In 2007 I went to the opening game and I was in the grand stand and the lady next to me was on the phone and she said I am really sorry for making noise and I said it is alright, I am just watching the game.  I was in a private function, she said to me what is in your bag and I said a jersey and I'd like to get Kevin Hastings to sign it, she said why?  I told her he is one of my favourite players and she said I am his wife Lyn.  So we got chatting and I got to get my old jersey signed with a white pen.  He signed it beautifully, we have had a few beers together.  Kevin travels back and forward to the United States.  We were at a Hall of Fame dinner and I asked him for a photo and he took the Hall of Fame medal off and put it on me, which is pretty cool.  Down to earth bloke, great club man and great guy. 

I like to collect odd and unusual items such as a ladies ticket for the SCG.

As a Roosters member I was invited to have a photograph with the squad.

I also have a clouple of tattoos that are Rooster related.


Bruce Springstein is my other idol.  I have seen him 28 times.  The last time I saw Bruce I was up close and really enjoyed it. 

Over the Years how did your collecting change?

When I first started I would probably buy anything that was Roosters related, and now I don't just walk into a shop and see a hat or shirt because I too many now.  I don't buy every home and away jersey now, it is only a sponsor change. 

The marketing division of a lot of these places let people down now, it is all about the dollar.  They will make mass produced stuff for the normal people but won't make anything out of the ordinary for the higher level members.  The ANZAC jersey this year was just a Poppy on the front of it and it came out just a few days before the game.  If you live out where I live how do you go and get that jersey to wear to the game?  It was as if it was an oversight. This is what berates me.  The St George had Poppies all over the V.  Anzac comes around the same time every year and no thought was put into it.  They put so much effort into the Marvel round which is a non consequential round, it is a chance to make more money.  I didn't buy it this year.

Living out here my priorities have changed somewhat.  While it is an amazing room, I don't spend much time in it.  I am out in the paddock and play with the dogs and in winter time I watch the footy in the lounge room with the fire going. 

What is the Holy Grail that has eluded you over the years?

The rest of the Associate badges, I may never see them and if someone wants to offer me the Luke Ricketson jersey signature card at a reasonable price I might take it.  They are about $400 a card and that money can go a long way somewhere else. 

Total Value of your collection?

I don't put any value of a jersey more than any other, to me they are all the same.  I wear most of them.  I look after everything I have got. 

There are some cards that I think are more valuable than others, and we are not talking about in dollars.  Look these jerseys come out and they cost $160 then you see them in the shop the following year for $50 - $60.  I buy them early because I like to get them and wear them.  Some do sell out. 

The cards I get most of the cards from you, Dansnrl, I don't worry too much about ebay, I go straight to the source you and you give me a good discount. 

The badges they can start at $2 and some go for $200.  If I needed to sell the badges they would sell, they are very collectable.

There is this old team picture I picked up pretty cheap and it is probably not worth much to anyone else, it is a picture of the Third Grade side, not the First Grade, but to me it is a talking point.  I like to get different things.  It is never about the money, I just like to collect different things and to be honest I am struggling to find something that tickles my fancy.  It is more the hunt. 

You could put two and two together and add up the jerseys.  I don't smoke, I enjoy it.  You could ask me what I spent it is probably more than it is worth.

If you had to sell part of your collection, what would you sell first?

It wouldn't be the badges, it would be the jerseys.  I have enough and I have 1978 and 1986 Kangaroo teams and the State of Origin ones that my mate has had signed.  I love my footy all around.

True Supporter, Interview 2 - 01 March 2017 - Chris Atkinson

Chris Atkinson is a collector of Rugby League knowledge, stats and facts memorised.

True Collector, Interview 2 - 01 March 2017 - Chris Atkinson

Where did you grow up?

Allawah, heart of St George Dragons territory, I lived no more than a ten minute walk from Kogarah Oval.

When did you start your obsession with rugby league?

My Dad used to take me to the game when I was a kid and just fell in love with the game. 

What were your most memorable experiences of rugby league as a child ?

I remember going to a game when I was 8 years old, Canterbury v St George at Kogarah Oval.  Ricky Walford scored 26 points in that game. 

What did you collect as a kid ?

I wouldn't say I was a big collector, I remember in 1994 there was a sticker book and footy cards and David Middleton Stat books.  The 1990 season they were really pushing this book called Rugby League 1989/90 and a few weeks later my mum asked what I want for my 9th birthday and I said I want this book.  I read that book cover to cover, once I opened it I couldn't put it down. 

I used to read the Big League and Rugby League Weeks, I would always ask Dad to get me the Big League.

When did you realise you were remembering match details such as scores and crowds?

I have always been a big fan of Rugby League, but the 1989 season was when I really started to get into it.  I started watching all the games that were televised and just remembered all of the stats such as crowd numbers.  I was nine years old and I remembered details from the games I was at and then that book I remembered all of those details. 

Tell us about your passion for the Dragons?

When I was old enough to go to the games myself, I would always try and rock up to the lower grades as well.  On the days I didn't go to the ground we could still heard the crowd because we lived so close and if you could hear them we knew Saints had won.

In 1997 I went to most games, only missing two times and in 1998 and 1999 I went to every game.  2000 to 2002 they left Kogarah and I just went to games here and there and then in 2003 they returned to Kogarah and I went to every game again and most games down at Wollongong.  Now days I still go to the Kogarah games and Anzac matches, when they started the Red V membership since they started it in 2002.  In 2008 I let it lapse, I did have a seat in the Grand stand and pretty much lost it with that one year lapse and now I am on the hill which is not a drama for me because that is where I used to go and watch it with my Dad.  The atmosphere in the hill is awesome and the grand stand there is no cheering or anything. 

What are you focusing on collecting these days ?

I kept collecting the David Middleton year books and remembered all of the details. 

I do have a few St George jerseys, I have given quite a few away over the years. 

When did you think you knew enough in a quiz to be able to take on someone of the caliber of David Middleton?

Probably when I was 16 or 17.  I probably should have been paying more attention to my school work in year 11 or 12 rather than concentrating on rugby league stats.  If the footy was on TV I would find a way to watch it.

David and Golliath ? How did the challenge with David Middleton on the Footy Show happen?


I actually remember the date of the advertisement, it was the Sun Herald January 28th edition 2001 saying fans could be a host on the Footy Show and my friends had been saying for years I should try and get on there.  One of the things required to enter was to shoot a video of yourself and send it in and I just did it.  A friend of mine who shall remain nameless was meant to help me with it and he didn't and I just set up the video camera and told them what I knew such as Grand Finals and State of Origin scores. 

How was the lead up to your Footy Show appearance?

It was six weeks later on a Tuesday and I had left my mobile phone at home whilst I was at work and I got home and switched my phone on and there was six voice mail messages from Glenn Pallister who was and I believe still is the Executive Producer of the Footy Show.  He was saying we want you on the show this Thursday and we are starting this new segment called David and Goliath and you will be challenging David Middleton.  He said give us a call back soon and we will have some tickets for your friends too.  I gave him a call back and two days later I am on the Footy Show. 

I was jumping for joy on one hand and the other I was shitting myself, I didn't sleep on the Tuesday or the Wednesday night and then I was on TV on the Thursday night.  I was more nervous to be on TV compared to challenging my childhood hero David Middleton. 

David and Goliath Challenge? How did you go on the night?

They called David Middleton and me into put makeup on, I couldn't believe they were putting make up on me. 

I had a slow start but came home with a rush.  The slow start was definitely nerves.  If there was a second challenge I think he would wipe the floor with me, he can recall stuff no one would even think about. 

How do you keep up to date with the latest facts and figures?

I don't have pay TV but I do still watch every game and I love listening to the Triple M Continuous Call Team on Monday nights. 

What got you into Refereeing?

My parents decided not to let me play Rugby League because I was too small and I just remember seeing an Ad one year in the St George Leader and they had an advertisement to become a referee.  I was refereeing in the St GEorge junior league from the age of 15 years old. 

It was very rewarding, I refereed from 1997 to 2000 and that period is when I really enjoyed the game the most.  I refereed Jason Nightingale in a local game and I was also lucky enough to referee Wes Naiqama in a trial game as a fluke.

I was virtually refereeing kids, if there was any dramas some parents taking things over the top. 

The best footy team you have seen?

The Broncos sides of the 1990s, Langer, Walters

Your favourite restaraunt?

The bistro at Allawah hotel. 

True Supporter, Interview 1 - 17 October 2016 -Daniel Krajovski

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Wetherill Park, NSW.

When did you start your collection and what did you collect in the beginning?

I started collecting in 1979-1980, around 6-7 years of age, Kindergarten.  I used to buy the packets from the local corner shop in Mount Druitt.  I Started with Rugby League and my favourite cards were South Sydney.  .

What were your most memorable experiences with collecting as a child ?

Bubblegum, that was the reason I started collecting them.  We used to play flicks against the wall and Snap.  There was also a game called knock downs, you would put the cards up against the wall and whoever could flick their card and knock them all down would get the lot.

How did you store your cards as a kid ?

Used a rubber band and stored them in either my shoe box or lunch box. 

When did you start to get into other things ?

I think it was in 1986 when I started collecting the Soccer cards, they were the playing card ones and Maradona was the best card in the set. 


What are you focusing on collecting these days ?

Soccer is what I am pushing to complete, basically I have all of them except for the Scanlens 1963 cards.  The main sets are from 2006 which were all Select, then there was an exclusive set sold by Wangy and now there is Tap and Play do them. 


I don't collect everything in Rugby League, only certain cards that have a bit of value in them and South Sydney. 

How do you derive value in cards ?

The rarity, the limited edition stuff, the 50s and 40s cards and some of the 100s cards.  Certain cards have an appeal factor to collectors as well

What are your top Five collectable cards / card sets over the years in Rugby League ?

The most sought after cards now would be a toss-up between the Centenary Six (2008 Immortal Signature Set) and the Black League Leaders from Select Dynasty 2012. 


The Captains Signature Cards from 2004 are very special and the other ones I like are the Captains Signatures from the 2009 Classic set.  The fifth one would be the 2006 Invincibles set which included the Legend Die Cut cards out of 175, Top Prospects and the Redemptions such as Laurie Daley, Tim Smith, Andrew Johns limited to 120 per card. 


Over the Years how did your collecting change?

It changed in 2000 because Dynamic finished in 1997 and for two years we had nothing to collect except for club release cards, that is if you collected those.  I didn't, but when Select 2000 came out, I remember it clearly.  I knew a wholesaler AMW Holliers, back then they were in Smithfield and they were selling boxes to newsagents and because I knew him I was buying boxes and from that year onwards I was addicted to collecting all of the Select cards. 

I managed to collect every single card in Selects range from 2000 to 2012.  Every single card that they brought out I collected.  It is very hard to collect them all, to this day there can only be ten Master Set collects and this is due to the 2001 Challenge set had a one in 10 card which redeemed the entire set.  So only ten people can only have master sets from Select.  Now the signature cards are 1-110 and when my master set was redeemed with the Master Set cards they were not redeemed all the same number, I don't know why, they just came back like that. 

What have you been collecting since 2012?

Just South's cards, ESP every series comes out and I just collect the South's cards.  Apart from that I concentrate on my Soccer, I will keep buying this sort of stuff.



When did you start selling cards?

It was the at the card shows, I first got into Trading Card Shows as a seller around 2006 or 2007 and then I started selling at the Fairfield Markets which went for a couple of years.  I gave the Fairfield Markets up because you just needed a lot of time to do it and I had a young family. 

I haven't been involved with the markets for around three years now.  Now I concentrate on my website and EBay for selling along with word of mouth. 

What is the Holy Grail that has eluded you over the years?

1963 Scanlens Soccer.  They are very hard.  I was spewing because not long ago there was about half a dozen on EBay and they were averaging about $150 a card which is cheap.  They are Australian Soccer cards.  They came out in conjunction with the Australian Rugby League set in the same year.  There was 18 cards in the set and like the Rugby League set there was no Scanlens logo on the front of the card.  There was no Soccer set released in the 1964 season.  They released a second set in the 1965 season and that had the Scanlens logo like the 1964 League set had.  Johnny Warren was in the 1963 set.  


Total Value of your collection?

This is a hard question, because you need to sit there and count them all. I asked are you going to count them and he replied, I am not even going to, there is too much.  Like I said I have 8,500 cards on my website. 

If you had to sell part of your collection, what would you sell first?

First, well you try to sell your commons first, but that's not going to happen.  I would sell my Rugby League first. 

The ones you would find hard to replace are some of the high end cards from Select in the early years.  2004 Captains captains card and I haven't seen a 2009 Captains signature for quite a while as well.